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I find it absurd, obscene, and repressive to have a public institution dictate to me where and when I can exhibit my right to indulge in legally-permitted substances. I breath more toxic shit as I walk down the street every single day (I don't drive a car, haven't, can but choose not to) than I do when I inhale the legal tobacco that I have become so accustomed and addicted to. Let's focus on what's important.

About Cigarette Butts :

There are too many Cigarette Butts on this campus.

I was a grad student at Michigan for several years, and while I am a non-smoker, I completely disagree with this policy. I can't believe that the university would presume to tell smokers that not only are they prohibited from smoking in campus buildings, but they also can't smoke outside.

Firstly, it grieves me that universities like Michigan, supposedly the arbiters of progressive thinking, are leading the way in such authoritarian measures to curtail personal freedoms. It's appalling to me that an institution whose mission is to promote unhampered discussion and learning would take on the role of "nanny" to its students and faculty and attempt to legislate the lifestyle choices of adults.

Even more sinister, however, is the way in which the university implies that such policies are desirable as part of a larger institutional management scheme that treats the university as a corporation rather than a place of learning. So not only are we supposed to accept that the university should be run like a firm; we're apparently supposed to take it for granted, and the appearance of corporation-style management is supposed to lend restrictive policies like this a sense of "good sense" and propriety.

I don't buy into it. I mean, come on, what would the MLB be without the little groups of European grad students huddled outside in the snow wearing Italian shoes, smoking, and discussing esoteric literary concepts?

In fact, the IU smoking ban is a joke, because it is not enforced: there is NO penalty for smoking on the Bloomington campus. Since the total ban replaced a "smoke 30 feet away from the door" rule, campus is now smokier and smellier than it was before. Going into the library, the union, or any large classroom building involves making your way through a nasty, smoky cloud. For people with respiratory problems, it's truly dangerous. But even the security guards on campus have been seen lighting up. When someone dies of a smoke-induced asthma attack on this supposedly smoke-free campus, maybe the university will think about enforcement. But until then, "smoke-free" is a farce. If "no-smoking" zones were to be enforced as enthusiastically as "no-parking" zones, complete with high fines, maybe these bans would work....

I think the real goal of this ban is not to improve people's health or impose lifestyle decisions. It seems more like an enforcement of politeness - like telling someone to stop farting in the classroom.

Although I will have graduated by 2011, it's nice to know that students will no longer have to deal with the curtain of smoke at the entrance to Angell Hall.

Actually,I really admire the new policy of the Michigan Uni. I wish ,really wish- the same policy would be applied to my own university (YEDITEPE UNI.) Actually, an university student must be aware of the existence of the non-smoking people around them and should know that they have no right to poison their lungs. It is all in favour of a healthy generation- for you. So, even this idea makes me want to study in this university unlike my university. You should know the value of your university! no-offense, my dear smoker friends.

We get it! Smoking kills! Sure, second-hand smoke is bad for you too.

The opposition of this ban isn't to try and convince you otherwise and say smoking is not as bad as the stats say it is. The point is that implementing this campaign is pointless and is going to consume resources that could be well spent on much better avenues. A smoke-free campus is not going to stop people from smoking. Its just going to push them onto non-campus ground. Its not going to do much to stop secondhand smoking either. This campaign may seem like a noble effort to try and improve lifestyle habits among students but it really isn't.

I'm not going to argue that it's my right to smoke, and I completely understand bans on smoking indoors. But outside? How can one argue the harms of second hand smoke outside. It get's dissipated in the air. Car pollution poses a bigger health problem from the air we breathe than second hand smoke would.

And for those telling smokers to quit, "it will make them healthier". Do you say the same to fat people? A recent study showed smoking from the ages of 18-21 had less negative health connotations than did being obese during that same time frame. I've seen the girls on campus, I think smoking should be the least of our worries.

Looking at the big picture, this is practical. Smoking is needlessly harmful to others. There are other public health hazards that we should try to reduce (asbestos insulation still used in some University property, cars with toxic exhaust, old paint releasing fumes and the like), and this is a solid step toward a healthier environment. Anything we can do to make campus more liveable for everyone is commendable.

My Mom is terminally ill.

Smoking ruined her lungs and weakened her heart capacity. She tried many times to quit.

Two-and-a-half years ago the doctors predicted that she would survive three months to a year. It is a tragic way to live.

She has exceeded their predictions. She is continually on oxygen and
has to be assisted to get in and out of a wheel chair. She cannot stand or walk on her own. She spends most of her time in a hospital bed or in a reclining chair. I cannot describe how impaired she has become. It is a tragic way to live.

Round the clock care is terribly expensive and this depresses her further.

When she was younger she was sure that smoking was no big deal.

Anyone who opposes this ban is an idiot.

thanks.

wow.

Well guy, check your constitution. It's not actually a violation of your rights for people to smoke in the same area as you. If that were true, anyone driving a car by you would also be violating your rights. Cars are dangerous and you're statistically more likely to die or get injured with them driving around than if not. Think about it.

Yes it is a violation of my right for someone to smoke near me in a public place. Second hand smoke has been declared dangerous. I can choose to not step into a road with cars traveling in it, but I cannot separate the air I breathe from that which has second hand smoke in it.

Can you choose to not have a car jump the curb and crush your body? 2nd hand smoke free is not a protected right. Just fyi.

I don't smoke. I don't care if others smoke in their own private residence. However, it is a violation of my rights if I have to deal with someone elses second hand smoke.

If I were to breath in your face or spit on you, that would be unnaceptable. Why do smokers think they can exhale smoke in the same manner?

Clearly 2nd hand smoke is a myth. They can't even prove that smoking is bad for one's health. I'm a two pack a day smoker and have been for the last 20 years, and I'm in the best shape of my life. Walking the campus and firing up a camel unfiltered on a sunny afternoon is a great way to spend the day. I love the university, but I think that they may have made a deal with the alcohol companies to boost liquor sales (although I'm of the belief that alcohol and tobacco mix to form the ultimate party.) Since this seems largely unenforceable, I'm going to continue to smoke on the diag.

It will be cool too in a few years when you breath through a hole in your throat and sound like a robot, instead of like a man right now. Of course neither of those conditions have been linked to smoking.

I don't understand why anyone would smoke, but I am fine with setting up small rooms where smokers all go into and smoke so the rest of us don't have to smell it. If they don't believe smoking is bad for them, or second hand smoke is bad for anyone, then let them all go into a smoke filled room together, and they can circle jerk each other while they claim how they can do what they want. Also stop throwing your cigarettes out the window. Smoke in your car all you want, but if you do, they all have an ash tray, use it. I'm sick of watching cigarette smokers throw their butts wherever they want.

Dear Students,
We have decided that you currently have too much freedom. Restrictions of your personal freedom are currently in the works for your own safety. Trust us, we know what is best for you. Have a nice day :)
- Nanny University

O.K., So,...Why DO you smoke ?

I GET that some of you think it's your RIGHT to smoke...but, none of you have mentioned why you smoke in the first place. (Sucking in that smoke,... the destruction of your lungs, the smell you carry with you and the smoker's breath alone would seem to be enough to keep one from smoking... )

As I entered the Grad the other night a group of students was out in front smoking and I had to pass through the stench filled cloud they were creating ... Why would anyone want to be in that cloud?

My uncle spent the last NINE months of his life in intensive care (I know that sounds unbelievable, but it's true NINE MONTHS in INTENSIVE CARE) until he died, because no hospital, hospice, or other facility would take responsibility for anyone in his condition...[even though he had excellent insurance coverage!]) ...as a result of multiple health conditions ALL caused initially and compounded by smoking.

Please, don't simply hang your hat on your RIGHT to smoke. Health Service will gladly provide assistance in stopping. Do it for YOU and those who love you now and those who will love you in the future.

OK, get rid of smoking, then they'll have to tax something else into extinction to pay for all the programs the tobacco taxes were supposed to pay for.

Since they're making claims of economic benefits that are going to occur, is anyone going to project them, track them, and put their reputation/job on the line when those benefits don't occur? I don't think so.

Isn't the University of Michigan a major research institution and a bastion of science?

What we have here is ideology out of control.

This is how civilizations vanish.

The PC police will soon be telling us what to eat and what to drink. They are already dictating what we should drive. What ever happened to libertarian judgement?

It should be interesting to see how the enforcement side of this smoke-free policy will be handled. The medical campus is considered "smoke-free" and you see people smoking all the time in this "restricted" area. Last time I checked, smoking tobacco products outside is not illegal.

I'm surprised no one has brought up that this could be viewed as imposing a disparate impact on gay students.

Several studies have found evidence that smoking is significantly greater amount gay and lesbians than among heterosexuals. Is this policy going to be viewed as "anti-gay"? Does it make the campus less welcoming for gay students?

Perhaps the Daily could conduct a survey on campus to see if smoking rates differ by race or sexual orientation.

I hope you're not questioning whether or not this ban intends to be "anti-gay," since you acknowledge that any impact that this would have on gay students would be DISPARATE.

Regardless, good point. But I wouldn't rely on research performed by the daily... why not do it through ISR or something of the like?

I think Megan was being sarcastic...atleast I hope she was.

What the hell is smoke free?
Will smokers be fined for lighting up on the diag? Or will they have to re-route so they can smoke one on the way to class. How do you define campus territory? What if I live next to the ISR? This ridiculous.I inhale more fumes walking to CC Little past the loading dock at the Chem Building then I do from smokers.

Exam season or not, the daily could put in just a little more effort than just typing out Coleman's letter.

First-time violators will be tasered, restrained (using the netting they bundle fresh-cut Christmas trees with) & hung for 6-hours on the campus equivalent of a "buck pole" situated on the Diag. Second-time offenders will, additionally, be forced to listen to a recording of The Carpenters Greatest Hits - performed by the Las Vegas Laryngectomy Barbershop Quartet.

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"You run one time, you got yourself a set of chains. You run twice you got yourself two sets. You ain't gonna need no third set, 'cause you gonna get your mind right." - Captain (Strother Martin), Cool Hand Luke (1967)

Did not one Daily editor or reporter (or, for that matter, Coleman / University admin) ask themselves what the hell smokefree means? That is the most important question here and I am dumbfounded it is not even touched on in this story.

First I read the e-mail and don't get it. I even go to the website just because I'm curious, and don't get it. Finally I see there's a Daily article and am excited to find out what this means, and I see that the entire thing is a press release with not a single fact that people would care about.

You're missing the point of what function these stories are to serve. Another example would be the Order of Angell story. I don't care at all about that "society," but I skimmed the list and immediately noticed that nobody from MSA is on it. Why not? Just a simple question, but I'm sure other students as disengaged as I am noticed.

I'd much rather have fewer stories that are fully reported on and take more manpower then lots of them that just regurgitate what's given.

I think you're missing the point. It's not that the editors or reporters missed those details, it's that the University doesn't know them yet.

They simply laid out an end goal but don't have the framework within which such a goal can be reached.

“What we want to do is hear from people about how we can get from here to our goal, and what that goal will look like in terms of impact on people,” Winfield said.

This also goes for the smokefree discussion. They don't yet know what a smokefree University of Michigan campus would look like.

Possible approaches:

1) Other campuses purport to be "smokefree." What do these look like?
2) "...how we can get from here to our goal..." What is the "goal?"
3) How about something as simple as: "When asked what he means by 'smokefree,' Winfield said ________" Everyone knows that admin are full of shit, but if there must be ambiguity, a good article puts that on the SOURCE, not on the paper.

If an article is missing a comment from a major player, they don't just leave that to reader to speculate "Oh, I bet they decided not to comment." They write "_____ declined to comment."

Obviously simple questions like "Does this mean students will not be able to smoke on the Diag?" weren't even broached, or they would have been included. Even if the University doesn't know the answer to that question, it still needed to be addressed.

You response to my response was ill-thought out. Try again.

Big Sister is Watching.

More Orwellian control from the heavy-handed fascists. Sure, smoking is bad for one's health, but so is eating fatty food. You say eating fatty food only affects the individual? One could make the same argument for smoking marijuana; I don't believe that second hand dope smoke is an issue (at least until the Nanny State sets its sites on it). What about single motherhood? Not only is single motherhood associated with much pathology in children and the adults they become (e.g., violence and other anti-social behavior, drug abuse and alcoholism, teen pregnancy, etc.) but addressing those pathologies cost the taxpayers at least as much as secondhand smoke, so I would argue that banning single motherhood on campus would do as much to control costs as eliminating secondhand smoke on the Diag.

More PC control. Orwell would be proud of his prescience.

Eating Fatty Food affects more that the individual - when is the last time you flew on a plane and having one sit next to you???

I flew last week and over half my seat was taken with someone else - his cup runnith over

The University wishes to interfere even with people's rights to smoke in their own cars in parking structures! Such urges to control others reflect puritanism, hysteria and the passion to compensate for personal weaknesses by punishing a scapegoat.
If the University is sincerely concerned about the quality of its air, why don't the administration, health experts and Regents order massive commercial motor vehicles to shut off their engines rather than idle for minutes, even hours, at a time? They don't, because they prefer to control relatively powerless individuals rather than the conduct of commercial interests. Clearly, the University values the economic "health" of enterprises that spew toxic substances out of bus and truck tail pipes over the health of those who breathe the fumes.

!!! SMOKING SUCKS !!!

Don't Smoke! I have friends and family members who have suffered greatly from smoking related health problems. They began smoking long before the dangers were evident. They have ALL wished that they could quit,... some managed to, but still had residual effects.

[Perhaps it is the "nicotine talking" that makes someone waste time and space talking nonsense about issues of outdoor secondhand smoke when smoking has proven to be a drain on healthcare systems, and, as I personally can vouch, brought a tragic end to peoples' lives.]

I want to know what the health care costs associated with outdoor secondhand smoke are. How much is being spent to treat people who inhale secondhand smoke while walking across the diag? How much secondhand smoke does MSC think there is on campus? I've never come out of the Dennison Arch smelling like a bowling alley. Maybe in my 4 years here I've inhaled as much second hand smoke on campus as I have in 1 night at the Brown Jug. Now I'll just inhale it walking to class on the non campus side of the street.

Seems a little ridiculous.

Did anyone realize that the University sent this out on 4-20.........

leaders and the best? How in the world are there 26 other campuses already "smoke free"? As others have said, why wait 18 months? Michigan should suck it up and do it quickly and with leadership. Maybe the same folks who are scheduling Delaware State and Toledo on the football schedule are running the "smoke free" program.

Why wait???

Why not get it over with and ban smoking on campus beginning this fall? That gives anyone who smokes and is planning on being here in the fall, all spring and summer to clean up their act. Do yourself and everyone who loves you a favor and don't smoke.

I think I have succeeded in finding the most self-righteous person on the planet.

Not everyone shares your enlightened view that smokers need to "clean up their act" before receiving an education. Anyone who thinks that inhaling a breath of secondhand smoke every once in a while needs to stop watching D.A.R.E. videos and deal with it, you'll be fine.

Needless to say, I think that this ban is a terrible idea. Smokers are already criminalized enough with insane taxes and other bans, just leave them alone.

What about those utility vehicles that drive around on the diag while students are trying to walk? Seems like those pose a greater risk to health than someone smoking. Both of those expose you to various fumes, only one can run over your foot.

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